MOT Annual Assessments.......... The Future

[stealth]

While the subject of annual assessments is attracting some attention, I dont know how many took the time to read the document in any depth, but felt it might be worth copying some of the content from the recent Government consultation document ...

Discuss...

Once an MOT tester is approved by DVSA – which involves DVSA witnessing their ability to test – a tester must complete annual development each year and pass an official exam. They have discretion over how this development is done.

This process has been in place now since 2014, and there may be value in considering whether this process is still fit for now and the future.

That consideration could consider the general approach – and we can look at schemes in other sectors (such as Driver CPC) and see if a more analogous approach would work better.

If we amend the MOT test to reflect technological innovation and the growth in green vehicles, testers will need to be trained in these changes. DfT’s Transport Labour Market and Skills Call for Views and Ideas, published in February 2022, sought views on the key issues for skills and the transport workforce.

Many responses referred to the importance of adapting to technological change and taking advantage of the jobs and skills opportunities this creates. Electrification, green skills, digital and STEM were highlighted as areas of both challenge and opportunity for the transport sector.

Alongside this, DfT set up a new industry-led taskforce, the Transport Employment and Skills Taskforce (TEST), made up of senior skills and employment experts from across the industry to identify future skills needs.

It will address the challenges facing the industry and develop interventions to ensure we have a highly skilled, diverse workforce that is fit for the future.

We would welcome views on how best to ensure MOT testers receive the critical training needed for test changes.

[David]

Is this something you're personally involved in?

Its very difficult to have a literate annual exam when 95% of our job is real world manual labour.

Refreshers always included both. They need to be free as refreshers were or we, the trade suffer more financial loss without fixed fees, fee increases or cheaper slots for nearly 20 years.

Some of the testing errors and decisions I've heard of are dire...It isn't working the way it should

[mercedes]

the problem is the lack of funding on there part all the dvsa stations up here are gone sold off for houses/ units its all run by private company up here out of there training centres. i like the refresher coarses run by them you got a lot of information of uthere tester and the instructers as aone man test station it was good to ask uthere testers questions and get answers

[stealth]

Nov 21, 2023 13:15:23 GMT 1 David said:

Is this something you're personally involved in?

No, it's not something I'm personally involved in, but I do cross over into the world of driver CPC training, where the courses are more formal & structured, so the first couple of paragraphs made for interesting reading....


"Once an MOT tester is approved by DVSA – which involves DVSA witnessing their ability to test – a tester must complete annual development each year and pass an official exam. They have discretion over how this development is done.

This process has been in place now since 2014, and there may be value in considering whether this process is still fit for now and the future.

That consideration could consider the general approach – and we can look at schemes in other sectors (such as Driver CPC) and see if a more analogous (comparable) approach would work better."

It may be a hint at moving towards invigilated training in the future.

For reference see the link on the requirements to deliver driver CPC training.

www.gov.uk/guidance/run-a-driver-cpc-training-course

[David]

Nov 21, 2023 15:16:16 GMT 1 stealth said:

Nov 21, 2023 13:15:23 GMT 1 David said:

Is this something you're personally involved in?

No, it's not something I'm personally involved in, but I do cross over into the world of driver CPC training, where the courses are more formal & structured, so the first couple of paragraphs made for interesting reading....


"Once an MOT tester is approved by DVSA – which involves DVSA witnessing their ability to test – a tester must complete annual development each year and pass an official exam. They have discretion over how this development is done.

This process has been in place now since 2014, and there may be value in considering whether this process is still fit for now and the future.

That consideration could consider the general approach – and we can look at schemes in other sectors (such as Driver CPC) and see if a more analogous (comparable) approach would work better."

It may be a hint at moving towards invigilated training in the future.

For reference see the link on the requirements to deliver driver CPC training.

www.gov.uk/guidance/run-a-driver-cpc-training-course

Lets hope so.

I've always pushed for MOT Apprenticeships.

Begin as a Registered Assistant, Trainee Tester and finally Nominated Tester.

We train our own how to test.

MOT Testing isn't by definition, or in any way related to repairing vehicles. Most regs and minimum standards are far below Service Standards as we know.

Current traing has moved towards regs, points etc, none of which fixes the issue that we as testers should leave our common sense and mechanicas mind outside the testing bay when we start an MOT. Those who attended training at Chadderton will remember that statement being used every day.

MOT Brain and mechanic brain don't mix well..

It's tripple whammy result as Annual testing (literal & practical) done on site by QC/AE at very little cost to the trade.

Centralised DVSA traing hub for On Site Staff to be registered with.

Should be a doddle....

[wally]

I hear of so many cases where a few testers get together to help each other pass the exams each year.
I know I shouldn't tar everybody with the same brush but I would think that most of these people see the exam as a ball ache and just want it out of the way and if they could copy the correct answers they would, rather than looking at learning from it and raising thier standards.
With this in mind i think invigilated training and testing would be an even bigger ball ache to them but may raise standards.

[rocket]

Nov 21, 2023 19:08:51 GMT 1 wally said:

I hear of so many cases where a few testers get together to help each other pass the exams each year.
I know I shouldn't tar everybody with the same brush but I would think that most of these people see the exam as a ball ache and just want it out of the way and if they could copy the correct answers they would, rather than looking at learning from it and raising thier standards.
With this in mind i think invigilated training and testing would be an even bigger ball ache to them but may raise standards.

That is what we used to do at chadderton Manchester 

[mike617]

Is the Driver CPC training not open to fraudulent training certificates being issued.

[lampy]

The major problem has been that the exam is seen to be more important than giving the participants any form of learning by letting them know where they were incorrect.
This could have been done by email if they wanted to keep it relevant to individuals but they were too concerned with empire building and protecting their own interests.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse and restructuring to make it fit for purpose.

[dwain]

Nov 23, 2023 13:22:07 GMT 1 lampy said:

The major problem has been that the exam is seen to be more important than giving the participants any form of learning by letting them know where they were incorrect.
This could have been done by email if they wanted to keep it relevant to individuals but they were too concerned with empire building and protecting their own interests.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse and restructuring to make it fit for purpose.

Agree entirely. That’s the reason that I still, even though it is more expensive and takes more effort, operate classroom training. Everyone reviews their incorrect answers and they’re discussed afterwards.

[Hooters]

Nov 25, 2023 10:52:42 GMT 1 dwain said:

Nov 23, 2023 13:22:07 GMT 1 lampy said:

The major problem has been that the exam is seen to be more important than giving the participants any form of learning by letting them know where they were incorrect.
This could have been done by email if they wanted to keep it relevant to individuals but they were too concerned with empire building and protecting their own interests.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse and restructuring to make it fit for purpose.

Agree entirely. That’s the reason that I still, even though it is more expensive and takes more effort, operate classroom training. Everyone reviews their incorrect answers and they’re discussed afterwards.

Well said, and well done for taking the initiative.
Be sure to raise this, in 'any other business' if necc. at future VTS Council meetings. At the moment we don't (and we could) LEARN from out annual assessments.